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		<title>By: FreeBooteR</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2010/07/05/open-to-the-core-the-pragmatic-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-666015</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeBooteR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pragmatism does not always trump freedom. Free software has not lost to open source. Both are still here thriving nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmatism does not always trump freedom. Free software has not lost to open source. Both are still here thriving nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Owens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; In the real world the realist trumps the idealist every time.

In the real world idealists trump practicals every time, over the course of hundreds of years. Look at the Levellers, look at Tom Paine, they might have gotten beaten back but most of their ideals came to be implemented. Just wait and see.

What is interesting is that most extreme pragmatists actually get angry and upset that idealists have any sort of voice. They seem to think that we should shut up and be quite and stop rocking the boat. Idealists tend to ask hard questions that are not easily answered.

Well there is a time for strategic compromise and there is a time for dialectic problem solving. The problem with most pundits is that they're not able to do either and instead must worrble on inaccurately with no added thoughts to the conflict at hand. The author here isn't a pragmatist, he's just a pundit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; In the real world the realist trumps the idealist every time.</p>
<p>In the real world idealists trump practicals every time, over the course of hundreds of years. Look at the Levellers, look at Tom Paine, they might have gotten beaten back but most of their ideals came to be implemented. Just wait and see.</p>
<p>What is interesting is that most extreme pragmatists actually get angry and upset that idealists have any sort of voice. They seem to think that we should shut up and be quite and stop rocking the boat. Idealists tend to ask hard questions that are not easily answered.</p>
<p>Well there is a time for strategic compromise and there is a time for dialectic problem solving. The problem with most pundits is that they&#8217;re not able to do either and instead must worrble on inaccurately with no added thoughts to the conflict at hand. The author here isn&#8217;t a pragmatist, he&#8217;s just a pundit.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's one thing to simply not open source something in it's entirety, it's another to prevent people from being able to program to it or hinder it. Really, how hard is that to figure out?

Additionally, pragmatism? Your argument for pragmatism is full of anything but. I'd say it's more an emotional argument than a logical one, honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s one thing to simply not open source something in it&#8217;s entirety, it&#8217;s another to prevent people from being able to program to it or hinder it. Really, how hard is that to figure out?</p>
<p>Additionally, pragmatism? Your argument for pragmatism is full of anything but. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s more an emotional argument than a logical one, honestly.</p>
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		<title>By: More on the open core : the pragmatic view &#171; JZ Talk Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>More on the open core : the pragmatic view &#171; JZ Talk Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post on this topic in his Commercial Open Source Software blog. Please read it directly from there:Open to the core &#8211; The pragmatic freedomEnjoy!Tags: MySQLAuthor: Jeffrey on July 7, 2010 Category: MySQL Older: Speaking in the US &#8211; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JustSomeNick</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustSomeNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well written. Good stuff.

You're right- the absolutely zealous approach to having extremist purity from the FLOSS community is a little confusing. It really is something that people should think twice about before speaking.

However there is one extremely significant point that was omitted here... There is a problem when there is an open source/free counterpart to a software suite (or application, etc etc) but is incredulously limited (to the point where it's no better than a demo) and the company providing it takes more from the community than it gives. I know such a case is rare, but it does happen. Luckily most open source devs are smart enough to not invest into a project after they realize the company they are dealing with is basically using them.

I mean, the Qualcomm 2D/3D kernel-side driver being open sourced is a prime example to this. David A from Redhat himself felt the insult of this himself. I know this does not -directly- compare to what you're talking about, but the idea is the same.

A lot of the community is pissed off at the 'open core' approach that attempts to explot the community rather than work with it. This is a fundamental difference that can be seen in much of the FLOSS folks' outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well written. Good stuff.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right- the absolutely zealous approach to having extremist purity from the FLOSS community is a little confusing. It really is something that people should think twice about before speaking.</p>
<p>However there is one extremely significant point that was omitted here&#8230; There is a problem when there is an open source/free counterpart to a software suite (or application, etc etc) but is incredulously limited (to the point where it&#8217;s no better than a demo) and the company providing it takes more from the community than it gives. I know such a case is rare, but it does happen. Luckily most open source devs are smart enough to not invest into a project after they realize the company they are dealing with is basically using them.</p>
<p>I mean, the Qualcomm 2D/3D kernel-side driver being open sourced is a prime example to this. David A from Redhat himself felt the insult of this himself. I know this does not -directly- compare to what you&#8217;re talking about, but the idea is the same.</p>
<p>A lot of the community is pissed off at the &#8216;open core&#8217; approach that attempts to explot the community rather than work with it. This is a fundamental difference that can be seen in much of the FLOSS folks&#8217; outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Open to the core &#8211; The pragmatic freedom&#160;&#124;&#160;Open Hacking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open to the core &#8211; The pragmatic freedom&#160;&#124;&#160;Open Hacking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the original post here: Open to the core &#8211; The pragmatic freedom     This entry was posted on Monday, July 5th, 2010 at 1:33 pm and is filed under Linux, News, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Montgomey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Montgomey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the classic Eric Raymond v Richard Stallman debate that has been going on for over a decade now.  In the real world the realist trumps the idealist every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the classic Eric Raymond v Richard Stallman debate that has been going on for over a decade now.  In the real world the realist trumps the idealist every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik Ingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik Ingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Giuseppe

You already have at least 2 blogs, why write here? Anyway, I won't spend energy on much discussion here, since your article doesn't seem to bring much to the table that wasn't argued and counter-argued already. But I'd like to make one correction, hopefully you'll find this helpful:

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That leaves you with the choice of pulling a business model from the basket of the non-pure business models, where you do one or more of the following:

   a. You license your code under the GPL or another free software license, and occasionally sell exceptions to the customers who ask for it (the so called dual licensing)

:end quote

Option a is not correctly classified. I'm not aware of anyone arguing that dual licensing wouldn't be a "pure" and fully acceptable open source / OSD compliant business model. (It would be an interesting separate discussion to explore why this is, but the opinion here seems to be unanimous.) This is not to be confused with the critics who say dual licensing is a bad business model for making lots of money, or bad for having a really thriving community, but nobody is arguing it is not "pure" open source. (The OSD does not require you to make X amount of money or even to develop code efficiently.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Giuseppe</p>
<p>You already have at least 2 blogs, why write here? Anyway, I won&#8217;t spend energy on much discussion here, since your article doesn&#8217;t seem to bring much to the table that wasn&#8217;t argued and counter-argued already. But I&#8217;d like to make one correction, hopefully you&#8217;ll find this helpful:</p>
<p>quote:<br />
That leaves you with the choice of pulling a business model from the basket of the non-pure business models, where you do one or more of the following:</p>
<p>   a. You license your code under the GPL or another free software license, and occasionally sell exceptions to the customers who ask for it (the so called dual licensing)</p>
<p>:end quote</p>
<p>Option a is not correctly classified. I&#8217;m not aware of anyone arguing that dual licensing wouldn&#8217;t be a &#8220;pure&#8221; and fully acceptable open source / OSD compliant business model. (It would be an interesting separate discussion to explore why this is, but the opinion here seems to be unanimous.) This is not to be confused with the critics who say dual licensing is a bad business model for making lots of money, or bad for having a really thriving community, but nobody is arguing it is not &#8220;pure&#8221; open source. (The OSD does not require you to make X amount of money or even to develop code efficiently.)</p>
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