Comments on: Open Source Licenses: EUPL got OSI Approval, but Still Doesn’t Show Up http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/03/20/open-source-licenses-eupl-got-osi-approval-but-still-doesnt-show-up/ “equally critical of proprietary and open source myths, advocating software choice beyond marketing and romanticism” Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:38:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Il 4 marzo 2009 l’EUPL è stata riconosiuta dall’OSI (Open Source Iniziative) come licenza “Open Source”. A che punto siamo oggi? http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/03/20/open-source-licenses-eupl-got-osi-approval-but-still-doesnt-show-up/comment-page-1/#comment-662010 Il 4 marzo 2009 l’EUPL è stata riconosiuta dall’OSI (Open Source Iniziative) come licenza “Open Source”. A che punto siamo oggi? Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:24:22 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1167#comment-662010 [...] Tuttavia, la EUPL è licenza relativamente recente e non può contare sull’avviamento della GPL o di altre licenza assestatesi come “standard” per i software open source. Pertanto l’EUPL appare destinata a faticare un po’ di più prima che si diffonda a pieno regime. [...] [...] Tuttavia, la EUPL è licenza relativamente recente e non può contare sull’avviamento della GPL o di altre licenza assestatesi come “standard” per i software open source. Pertanto l’EUPL appare destinata a faticare un po’ di più prima che si diffonda a pieno regime. [...]

]]> By: Open Source mobile edition http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/03/20/open-source-licenses-eupl-got-osi-approval-but-still-doesnt-show-up/comment-page-1/#comment-658870 Open Source mobile edition Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:38:10 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1167#comment-658870 [...] drew some interesting reaction and this follow up question. What does Europe have against GPLv3? Roberto Galoppini, who first drew my attention to the issue, drew a response to his post from Patrice-Emmanuel [...] [...] drew some interesting reaction and this follow up question. What does Europe have against GPLv3? Roberto Galoppini, who first drew my attention to the issue, drew a response to his post from Patrice-Emmanuel [...]

]]> By: Roberto Galoppini http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/03/20/open-source-licenses-eupl-got-osi-approval-but-still-doesnt-show-up/comment-page-1/#comment-658811 Roberto Galoppini Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:55:42 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1167#comment-658811 Hi Patrice-Emmanuel, I am glad you joined the conversation. I think that having a license (EUPL or not) translated in all European languages is a great thing. What I object to the EC is that you decided to go your way, instead of participating the GPLv3 process, managed with a public and transparent consultation. What I object to you is your adversarial approach. I believe that opening to FSF licenses is your concern, since you are trying to convince European public administrations to use the EUPL. Show them that is convenient, that they can still stand on the shoulders of giants, and try harder to consider GPL, and software licensed under the GPL, as your best friend, not a foe. My two European cents Hi Patrice-Emmanuel,

I am glad you joined the conversation. I think that having a license (EUPL or not) translated in all European languages is a great thing.

What I object to the EC is that you decided to go your way, instead of participating the GPLv3 process, managed with a public and transparent consultation.

What I object to you is your adversarial approach. I believe that opening to FSF licenses is your concern, since you are trying to convince European public administrations to use the EUPL.

Show them that is convenient, that they can still stand on the shoulders of giants, and try harder to consider GPL, and software licensed under the GPL, as your best friend, not a foe.

My two European cents

]]> By: P-E Schmitz http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/03/20/open-source-licenses-eupl-got-osi-approval-but-still-doesnt-show-up/comment-page-1/#comment-658809 P-E Schmitz Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:59:03 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1167#comment-658809 Hi Roberto, Publishing legal instruments with equal value in all EU languages and letting European courts work with it, is really "business as usual" for the European Institutions: Community Law counts million pages, valid in 22 or 23 languages. In case of uncertainty, national courts may ask the European Court of Justice to clarify. It is a simple fact that the GPL V2 and V3 (relative) failure is that FSF was unable to deal with linguistic diversity (that they consider as a major risk; it is true that they do not benefit from a supra-national court to help). Having said that, the EUPL has other merits: the license complies with European flavour of copyright, information to consumer, warranty and liability. The most important however, is that the intention of EUPL promoters is not to compete with the GPL or any other license. The objective is long term: to bring more administrations to license their source. We are at the early beginning of this, but there are currently substantial move in this direction and several Member States consider policies to license under EUPL. Last, the EUPL has a compatibility list (with GPLV2 and other copyleft licenses). This is also unique: it would be interesting to try solving license proliferation through "mutual recognition" between a club of equivalent licenses, sharing the same compatibility list: this would also provide more freedom to developers. Who has comment on this idea? It is a fact - unfortunately - that "compatibility" is seen by the FSF as "compatibility in the one-way direction of GPL, GPLv3 and AGPLv3". The reverse situation is not even imagined by the FSF, (and by the way, their current web site ignores totally the EUPL - remember Mahatma Gandhi: "First they ignored us..."). A last word about the "biased" comparison I did between the EUPL and GPLv3 during the EOLE event in Paris: Of course you can say it was biased! (since I am a EUPL advocate), but please do not take my comparison as an attack "against" the GPLv3: I just report facts: GPLv3 is about 3 times longer, is full of technical details, is complex (even for a lawyer) and as it is officially valid in English only it may not be the most persuasive license for a German or French administration. Could anyone object? Now if you are happy with GPLv3 and AGPLv3 no problems, go on! Hi Roberto,
Publishing legal instruments with equal value in all EU languages and letting European courts work with it, is really “business as usual” for the European Institutions: Community Law counts million pages, valid in 22 or 23 languages. In case of uncertainty, national courts may ask the European Court of Justice to clarify. It is a simple fact that the GPL V2 and V3 (relative) failure is that FSF was unable to deal with linguistic diversity (that they consider as a major risk; it is true that they do not benefit from a supra-national court to help). Having said that, the EUPL has other merits: the license complies with European flavour of copyright, information to consumer, warranty and liability. The most important however, is that the intention of EUPL promoters is not to compete with the GPL or any other license. The objective is long term: to bring more administrations to license their source. We are at the early beginning of this, but there are currently substantial move in this direction and several Member States consider policies to license under EUPL. Last, the EUPL has a compatibility list (with GPLV2 and other copyleft licenses). This is also unique: it would be interesting to try solving license proliferation through “mutual recognition” between a club of equivalent licenses, sharing the same compatibility list: this would also provide more freedom to developers. Who has comment on this idea? It is a fact - unfortunately - that “compatibility” is seen by the FSF as “compatibility in the one-way direction of GPL, GPLv3 and AGPLv3″. The reverse situation is not even imagined by the FSF, (and by the way, their current web site ignores totally the EUPL - remember Mahatma Gandhi: “First they ignored us…”). A last word about the “biased” comparison I did between the EUPL and GPLv3 during the EOLE event in Paris: Of course you can say it was biased! (since I am a EUPL advocate), but please do not take my comparison as an attack “against” the GPLv3: I just report facts: GPLv3 is about 3 times longer, is full of technical details, is complex (even for a lawyer) and as it is officially valid in English only it may not be the most persuasive license for a German or French administration. Could anyone object? Now if you are happy with GPLv3 and AGPLv3 no problems, go on!

]]> By: Open Source mobile edition http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/03/20/open-source-licenses-eupl-got-osi-approval-but-still-doesnt-show-up/comment-page-1/#comment-658802 Open Source mobile edition Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:22:11 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1167#comment-658802 [...] (Nathan White has a giant version of this Tower of Babel image on his Shepherd the Flock blog.) Roberto Galloppini writes from Rome that the Open Source Initiative approved the new license on March 4, but complains it has yet to [...] [...] (Nathan White has a giant version of this Tower of Babel image on his Shepherd the Flock blog.) Roberto Galloppini writes from Rome that the Open Source Initiative approved the new license on March 4, but complains it has yet to [...]

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