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	<title>Comments on: Open Source Business Models: Rethinking the Sun Model</title>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/11/10/open-source-business-models-rethinking-the-sun-model/comment-page-1/#comment-635061</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Savio: selling documentation wasn't a difficult for JBoss, and I believe that OpenOffice.org migration guides, as well as tutorials and other infoproducts might be welcomed by the market. 

Creators are the first choice, I agree. But open source is different, and we see system integrators all around the word &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2006/12/04/business-model-appropriating-returns-from-commons/" rel="nofollow"&gt;appropriating returns from commons&lt;/a&gt;, as small open source vendors unable to fulfill customers' needs worldwide.

@Simon: I really enjoyed your &lt;a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/phase_3_of_the_sun" rel="nofollow"&gt;second post&lt;/a&gt;, check out also my &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/11/11/open-source-business-models-sun-and-the-open-source-funnel-marketing/" rel="nofollow"&gt;second one&lt;/a&gt;.

@Richard: great example, really! I think that engineering is just part of the "whole solution product": tutorials, methodologies or knowledge bases need (just) human editorial efforts, and they can be even the result of collaborative projects!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Savio: selling documentation wasn&#8217;t a difficult for JBoss, and I believe that OpenOffice.org migration guides, as well as tutorials and other infoproducts might be welcomed by the market. </p>
<p>Creators are the first choice, I agree. But open source is different, and we see system integrators all around the word <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2006/12/04/business-model-appropriating-returns-from-commons/" rel="nofollow">appropriating returns from commons</a>, as small open source vendors unable to fulfill customers&#8217; needs worldwide.</p>
<p>@Simon: I really enjoyed your <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/phase_3_of_the_sun" rel="nofollow">second post</a>, check out also my <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/11/11/open-source-business-models-sun-and-the-open-source-funnel-marketing/" rel="nofollow">second one</a>.</p>
<p>@Richard: great example, really! I think that engineering is just part of the &#8220;whole solution product&#8221;: tutorials, methodologies or knowledge bases need (just) human editorial efforts, and they can be even the result of collaborative projects!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Sands</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/11/10/open-source-business-models-rethinking-the-sun-model/comment-page-1/#comment-633472</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Sands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roberto,

I think you've got exactly the right idea with "other opportunities". Any business model hoping to leverage something thats free - open source or otherwise - has to use the adoption garnered by "free" to sell something else. Anything else. There's lots of possibilities. The challenge is to find enough revenue in all those something elses to justify the engineering necessary to build something that is good enough so that people will use it, zero price notwithstanding. Here's another example of how to sell something else, that leverages broad adoption - again from Sun: http://tinyurl.com/5hprbu - really no different than selling screen real-estate on your browser window based on ubiquitous search engines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roberto,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve got exactly the right idea with &#8220;other opportunities&#8221;. Any business model hoping to leverage something thats free - open source or otherwise - has to use the adoption garnered by &#8220;free&#8221; to sell something else. Anything else. There&#8217;s lots of possibilities. The challenge is to find enough revenue in all those something elses to justify the engineering necessary to build something that is good enough so that people will use it, zero price notwithstanding. Here&#8217;s another example of how to sell something else, that leverages broad adoption - again from Sun: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5hprbu" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5hprbu</a> - really no different than selling screen real-estate on your browser window based on ubiquitous search engines.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Phipps</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/11/10/open-source-business-models-rethinking-the-sun-model/comment-page-1/#comment-633164</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Phipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purposely left the third phase as open as possible. All that you describe is included, as well as options like &lt;a href="http://www.sun.com/systems/solutions/mysql/" rel="nofollow"&gt;servers optimised for MySQL&lt;/a&gt;, ideal for people between deploy and scale. Expect hybrid offerings to include not just tuning tools and extra features like Rich considers but also targetted appliances and &lt;a href="http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage/index.jsp" rel="nofollow"&gt;unified storage&lt;/a&gt; built using the same open source solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purposely left the third phase as open as possible. All that you describe is included, as well as options like <a href="http://www.sun.com/systems/solutions/mysql/" rel="nofollow">servers optimised for MySQL</a>, ideal for people between deploy and scale. Expect hybrid offerings to include not just tuning tools and extra features like Rich considers but also targetted appliances and <a href="http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">unified storage</a> built using the same open source solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Savio Rodrigues</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/11/10/open-source-business-models-rethinking-the-sun-model/comment-page-1/#comment-633102</link>
		<dc:creator>Savio Rodrigues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roberto, it's hard to make broad statements that cover all vendors or projects....

But I will ;-)

&gt;Dispersed knowledge...
Selling documentation is a tough business...

I think implementing software is always a 'business'...but customers tend to pick the creator of the software to implement the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roberto, it&#8217;s hard to make broad statements that cover all vendors or projects&#8230;.</p>
<p>But I will <img src='http://robertogaloppini.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt;Dispersed knowledge&#8230;<br />
Selling documentation is a tough business&#8230;</p>
<p>I think implementing software is always a &#8216;business&#8217;&#8230;but customers tend to pick the creator of the software to implement the software.</p>
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