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		<title>By: Is it allowed to remove copyright note?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is it allowed to remove copyright note?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is it allowed to remove copyright note?     Have a look here : Open Source Licensing: SugarCRMs original way to abide the GPL  Out of the 7 lines of text - you can definitely remove the server statistics (3 lines) -   The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; 451 CAOS Links 2009.02.13</title>
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		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; 451 CAOS Links 2009.02.13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] success asked ArcticStartup, while Roberto Galoppini (again) noted that it appears to exploit an attribution loophole in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/12/02/open-source-licensing-sugarcrms-original-way-to-abide-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-218586</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michel I think it is important to sort out if it is the GPL3 licensing approach or interpretation of it by SugarCRM. What I am saying, and &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/12/23/open-source-licensing-gplv3-attribution-listed-within-the-top-ten-floss-legal-issues/" rel="nofollow"&gt;I am not alone&lt;/a&gt;, is that the Free Software Foundation, Eben Moglen and open source attorneys like &lt;a href="http://www.dlapiper.com/mark_radcliffe/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Mark Radcliffe&lt;/a&gt; they all know that.

I am not convinced that it is a scary accommodation,  on the contrary I firmly believe it doesn't make free software less free. 
Quoting you:

&lt;blockquote&gt;What about the amazing community of contributors which has helped SugarCRM expand upon its grand business scheme? Base on its licensing condition, I could just imagine what it would look like if all the ingenuous creators had little icons showing what they did or come up with on SugarCRM.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Attribution probably is not the best ever solution, but it sounds like the most appropriate when we talk of &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/05/16/open-source-business-models-to-be-or-not-to-be-community-driven/" rel="nofollow"&gt;corporate production model&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity (Irving Kristol).&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michel I think it is important to sort out if it is the GPL3 licensing approach or interpretation of it by SugarCRM. What I am saying, and <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/12/23/open-source-licensing-gplv3-attribution-listed-within-the-top-ten-floss-legal-issues/" rel="nofollow">I am not alone</a>, is that the Free Software Foundation, Eben Moglen and open source attorneys like <a href="http://www.dlapiper.com/mark_radcliffe/" rel="nofollow">Mark Radcliffe</a> they all know that.</p>
<p>I am not convinced that it is a scary accommodation,  on the contrary I firmly believe it doesn&#8217;t make free software less free.<br />
Quoting you:</p>
<blockquote><p>What about the amazing community of contributors which has helped SugarCRM expand upon its grand business scheme? Base on its licensing condition, I could just imagine what it would look like if all the ingenuous creators had little icons showing what they did or come up with on SugarCRM.</p></blockquote>
<p>Attribution probably is not the best ever solution, but it sounds like the most appropriate when we talk of <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/05/16/open-source-business-models-to-be-or-not-to-be-community-driven/" rel="nofollow">corporate production model</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p> Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity (Irving Kristol).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/12/02/open-source-licensing-sugarcrms-original-way-to-abide-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-218188</link>
		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with Johan's comment, the GPL3 licensing approach or interpretation of it by SugarCRM is quiet questionable indeed.  It is a scary accommodation for anybody planning to use this project in the long term.  And the question remains...  what and when will be the next amendment made... 

It appears like a big contradiction where one extensive use of available source code and ideas has very little 'reconnaissance' in regards to its 'sub' stance .  What about the amazing community of contributors which has helped SugarCRM expand upon its grand business scheme?   Base on its licensing condition, I could just imagine what it would look like if all the ingenuous creators had little icons showing what they did or come up with on SugarCRM. 

As an organization SugarCRM has the merit for good integration of LAMP.    One must also admit its marketing attraction strength which brings common richness to all with a lite subtle condition to its use.  But one must wonder what this tiny little licensing  condition might hold for the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with Johan&#8217;s comment, the GPL3 licensing approach or interpretation of it by SugarCRM is quiet questionable indeed.  It is a scary accommodation for anybody planning to use this project in the long term.  And the question remains&#8230;  what and when will be the next amendment made&#8230; </p>
<p>It appears like a big contradiction where one extensive use of available source code and ideas has very little &#8216;reconnaissance&#8217; in regards to its &#8217;sub&#8217; stance .  What about the amazing community of contributors which has helped SugarCRM expand upon its grand business scheme?   Base on its licensing condition, I could just imagine what it would look like if all the ingenuous creators had little icons showing what they did or come up with on SugarCRM. </p>
<p>As an organization SugarCRM has the merit for good integration of LAMP.    One must also admit its marketing attraction strength which brings common richness to all with a lite subtle condition to its use.  But one must wonder what this tiny little licensing  condition might hold for the future?</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pretty original because no one took publicly advantage of the section 7 of the GPLv3 for this purpose yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty original because no one took publicly advantage of the section 7 of the GPLv3 for this purpose yet.</p>
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		<title>By: P.Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does "original way to abide the GPL" mean?
I can't think of the word you really meant instead of "abide."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does &#8220;original way to abide the GPL&#8221; mean?<br />
I can&#8217;t think of the word you really meant instead of &#8220;abide.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; links for 2007-12-06</title>
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		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; links for 2007-12-06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Open Source Licensing: SugarCRM’s original way to abide the GPL &#124; Commercial Open Source Software can&#8217;t wait for the debate on this one (tags: licensing attribution gplv3 sugarcrm badgeware opensource) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Open Source Licensing: SugarCRM’s original way to abide the GPL | Commercial Open Source Software can&#8217;t wait for the debate on this one (tags: licensing attribution gplv3 sugarcrm badgeware opensource) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Robert,

Thank you for the reply but I still see tremendous exposure for SugarCRM. On a big picture level, I really don't see how they can go public and file an S-1 listing the business risks and have anyone back their offering. The hosting of SugarCRM for free with focused updates that make "my version" a better solution would be a killer for them.  Keep in mind they would be burdened with the heavy lifting of the core system whereas my "company" could focus on additional features. That is a big benefit for me and to Sugar's detriment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Robert,</p>
<p>Thank you for the reply but I still see tremendous exposure for SugarCRM. On a big picture level, I really don&#8217;t see how they can go public and file an S-1 listing the business risks and have anyone back their offering. The hosting of SugarCRM for free with focused updates that make &#8220;my version&#8221; a better solution would be a killer for them.  Keep in mind they would be burdened with the heavy lifting of the core system whereas my &#8220;company&#8221; could focus on additional features. That is a big benefit for me and to Sugar&#8217;s detriment.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johan,

 I have extensively talked about the &lt;a href="" rel="nofollow"&gt;GPL loophole&lt;/a&gt; before, that's why I didn't mention it here.

 &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/11/26/open-source-licensing-should-sugarcrm-adopt-the-agpl/" rel="nofollow"&gt;SugarCRM has some unique selling points&lt;/a&gt; (see the above mentioned post), and it is definitely not trivial to spoil their business.

 About SugarCRM's strategy, I must tell you that I am quite impressed by their community: they look pretty smart, honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johan,</p>
<p> I have extensively talked about the <a href="" rel="nofollow">GPL loophole</a> before, that&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t mention it here.</p>
<p> <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/11/26/open-source-licensing-should-sugarcrm-adopt-the-agpl/" rel="nofollow">SugarCRM has some unique selling points</a> (see the above mentioned post), and it is definitely not trivial to spoil their business.</p>
<p> About SugarCRM&#8217;s strategy, I must tell you that I am quite impressed by their community: they look pretty smart, honestly.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting note but you miss a big point, GPL3 does not address the distribution of software over the internet. The terms in the license address distribution or re-distribution by the old methods. Google re-distributes MySql over the web and is not bound to submit their modifications back to MySql. We could all make significant additions to SugarCRM and host the advances with no need to submit them back to the community. We could even  host SugarCRM and offer it for free.  The cost of hosting has gone down significantly, do I smell a advertising model ?  I may host SugarCRM for free just for the heck of it. My company does some modifications and we'll have a better CRM solution and no need to share this with SugarCRM.

SugarCRM made a big mistake!!!!  I am not sure why you are looking to rationalize bad decisions by a company that should have been smarter. This was a critical mistake and will affect their future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting note but you miss a big point, GPL3 does not address the distribution of software over the internet. The terms in the license address distribution or re-distribution by the old methods. Google re-distributes MySql over the web and is not bound to submit their modifications back to MySql. We could all make significant additions to SugarCRM and host the advances with no need to submit them back to the community. We could even  host SugarCRM and offer it for free.  The cost of hosting has gone down significantly, do I smell a advertising model ?  I may host SugarCRM for free just for the heck of it. My company does some modifications and we&#8217;ll have a better CRM solution and no need to share this with SugarCRM.</p>
<p>SugarCRM made a big mistake!!!!  I am not sure why you are looking to rationalize bad decisions by a company that should have been smarter. This was a critical mistake and will affect their future!</p>
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