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	<title>Comments on: Open Source Ecosystems: some considerations</title>
	<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/</link>
	<description>Where Free Software meets Businessequally critical of proprietary and open source myths,advocating software choice beyondmarketing and romanticism</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-72496</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, I eventually joined the conversation on your blog, I understand your perspective and I believe that 'productizing' is not for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, I eventually joined the conversation on your blog, I understand your perspective and I believe that &#8216;productizing&#8217; is not for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Can ERP implementations be fixed-price? &#171; The Manticore blog</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-71625</link>
		<dc:creator>Can ERP implementations be fixed-price? &#171; The Manticore blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-71625</guid>
		<description>[...] Roberto Galoppini&#8217;s Commercial Open Source SoftwareProjectfailures.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Roberto Galoppini&#8217;s Commercial Open Source SoftwareProjectfailures.com [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon G</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-71602</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-71602</guid>
		<description>I think fixing a heart may in fact be less complex than fixing a business. Hearts operate within rules of physics and chemistry, businesses operate with far more obscure rules and processes.
You won't hear a lawyer providing fixed priced legal advice, neither should an implementer be forced to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think fixing a heart may in fact be less complex than fixing a business. Hearts operate within rules of physics and chemistry, businesses operate with far more obscure rules and processes.<br />
You won&#8217;t hear a lawyer providing fixed priced legal advice, neither should an implementer be forced to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-70660</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-70660</guid>
		<description>Thank you Michael,

 I commented on your new blog, hopefully adding some salt to the conversation, keep it going!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Michael,</p>
<p> I commented on your new blog, hopefully adding some salt to the conversation, keep it going!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Krigsman</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-70530</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Krigsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-70530</guid>
		<description>Roberto, 

I have added an additional comment here (my new blog location):

http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=309</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto, </p>
<p>I have added an additional comment here (my new blog location):</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=309" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=309</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Open-Closed Source Services Convergence &#124; Project Failures &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-70528</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Open-Closed Source Services Convergence &#124; Project Failures &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-70528</guid>
		<description>[...] Against this backdrop, I read comments by Roberto Galoppini, where he raises the issues of services in the open source world. Roberto makes this comment: Open Source franchising is aimed at delivering to the market IT basic services using OSS, with a fixed-time fixed-price methodology meeting clearly defined performance criteria (SLA). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Against this backdrop, I read comments by Roberto Galoppini, where he raises the issues of services in the open source world. Roberto makes this comment: Open Source franchising is aimed at delivering to the market IT basic services using OSS, with a fixed-time fixed-price methodology meeting clearly defined performance criteria (SLA). [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Source Links for 30-Jul-2007 &#124; Open Source Guy</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-69684</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source Links for 30-Jul-2007 &#124; Open Source Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-69684</guid>
		<description>[...] Open Source Ecosystems - Commentary by Roberto Galoppini. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Open Source Ecosystems - Commentary by Roberto Galoppini. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-69038</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-69038</guid>
		<description>Michael,

 as a matter of fact customers want software working properly, either is proprietary or open source.

 More than one year ago I wrote a paper about Open Source Franchising, showing Sun a possible way to turn all their OSS in a source of income. &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2006/12/15/gnu-economy-sun-the-perfect-franchisor/" rel="nofollow"&gt;As I explained&lt;/a&gt; they are the perfect Franchisor, and I believe that they should seriously considering productized (consulting) services, as apparently &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/05/28/open-source-franchising-sun-asks-for-comments-on-franchising/" rel="nofollow"&gt;they are starting to do&lt;/a&gt;. As you know this unfortunately doesn't come for free (as in beer), and they eventually should spend time and effort to build an appropriate training program for the franchisees, besides some money for marketing, of course.

 What is new? "Just" the approach, bringing to the market a different billing arrangement, with a different perceived value (results, quality, etc), &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/05/26/open-source-franchising-from-artisanship-to-industrial/" rel="nofollow"&gt;from artisanship to industrial&lt;/a&gt;. Customers are supposed to appreciate it, as you also pointed out in one of your interesting posts:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hourly billing arrangements are typical on IT projects. However, open-ended billing can create an incentive for consultants to work lots of hours, potentially increasing project duration and cost beyond what may strictly be required. In fact, unbounded billing arrangements are often a real contributor to the failures described in this blog. As a result, customers are demanding lower consulting and implementation costs, forcing service vendors to rethink how they price and deliver their offerings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p> as a matter of fact customers want software working properly, either is proprietary or open source.</p>
<p> More than one year ago I wrote a paper about Open Source Franchising, showing Sun a possible way to turn all their OSS in a source of income. <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2006/12/15/gnu-economy-sun-the-perfect-franchisor/" rel="nofollow">As I explained</a> they are the perfect Franchisor, and I believe that they should seriously considering productized (consulting) services, as apparently <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/05/28/open-source-franchising-sun-asks-for-comments-on-franchising/" rel="nofollow">they are starting to do</a>. As you know this unfortunately doesn&#8217;t come for free (as in beer), and they eventually should spend time and effort to build an appropriate training program for the franchisees, besides some money for marketing, of course.</p>
<p> What is new? &#8220;Just&#8221; the approach, bringing to the market a different billing arrangement, with a different perceived value (results, quality, etc), <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/05/26/open-source-franchising-from-artisanship-to-industrial/" rel="nofollow">from artisanship to industrial</a>. Customers are supposed to appreciate it, as you also pointed out in one of your interesting posts:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hourly billing arrangements are typical on IT projects. However, open-ended billing can create an incentive for consultants to work lots of hours, potentially increasing project duration and cost beyond what may strictly be required. In fact, unbounded billing arrangements are often a real contributor to the failures described in this blog. As a result, customers are demanding lower consulting and implementation costs, forcing service vendors to rethink how they price and deliver their offerings.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Michael Krigsman</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-67743</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Krigsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-67743</guid>
		<description>Roberto,

I see no difference whatsoever between open source services and traditional consulting services. Once the license is obtained, whether through payment or free, the software must be deployed. 

At that point, integrating the new software into an existing technical and business infrastructure becomes the big issue.

I agree that fixed-price services are the right model, as I have written &lt;a href="http://projectfailures.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=522792&#38;categoryId=75598" rel="nofollow"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

However, I don't think it's specifically an open source issue.

Michael Krigsman
&lt;a href="http://projectfailures.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://projectfailures.com
&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto,</p>
<p>I see no difference whatsoever between open source services and traditional consulting services. Once the license is obtained, whether through payment or free, the software must be deployed. </p>
<p>At that point, integrating the new software into an existing technical and business infrastructure becomes the big issue.</p>
<p>I agree that fixed-price services are the right model, as I have written <a href="http://projectfailures.com/display/ShowJournal?moduleId=522792&amp;categoryId=75598" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s specifically an open source issue.</p>
<p>Michael Krigsman<br />
<a href="http://projectfailures.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://projectfailures.com" rel="nofollow">http://projectfailures.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-66842</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/07/24/open-source-ecosystems-some-considerations/#comment-66842</guid>
		<description>Hi Michael,

 thank you to join the conversation!

Of course I agree with you when you say that we should consider software costs beyond the license fee, more important to me is the following statement:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Implementation costs are a major variable in the ROI equation, since &lt;strong&gt;service expenses are often unpredictable&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is just what I believe &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/01/08/open-source-franchising-more/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Open Source Franchising should address&lt;/a&gt;, in short:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Open Source franchising is aimed at delivering to the market IT basic services using OSS, with a fixed-time fixed-price methodology meeting clearly defined performance criteria (SLA).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your opinion is welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p> thank you to join the conversation!</p>
<p>Of course I agree with you when you say that we should consider software costs beyond the license fee, more important to me is the following statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>Implementation costs are a major variable in the ROI equation, since <strong>service expenses are often unpredictable</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is just what I believe <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/01/08/open-source-franchising-more/" rel="nofollow">Open Source Franchising should address</a>, in short:</p>
<blockquote><p>Open Source franchising is aimed at delivering to the market IT basic services using OSS, with a fixed-time fixed-price methodology meeting clearly defined performance criteria (SLA).</p></blockquote>
<p>Your opinion is welcome!</p>
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