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	<title>Comments on: Open Source Conference: Commercial Open Source conference</title>
	<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/</link>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-46371</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriele,

it is just because I am talking about &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/commercial-floss.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Commercial Open Source&lt;/a&gt; that I advice not to use LGPL for business, unless you are willing to get other vendors to use it in their proprietary solutions. By the way, I cited Richard's article because it makes clear that if your "library" has unique features you better consider using the GPL:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This is why we used the Library GPL for the GNU C library. After all, there are plenty of other C libraries; using the GPL for ours would have driven proprietary software developers to use another--no problem for them, only for us.

However, when a library provides a significant unique capability, like GNU Readline, that's a horse of a different color.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriele,</p>
<p>it is just because I am talking about <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/commercial-floss.html" rel="nofollow">Commercial Open Source</a> that I advice not to use LGPL for business, unless you are willing to get other vendors to use it in their proprietary solutions. By the way, I cited Richard&#8217;s article because it makes clear that if your &#8220;library&#8221; has unique features you better consider using the GPL:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is why we used the Library GPL for the GNU C library. After all, there are plenty of other C libraries; using the GPL for ours would have driven proprietary software developers to use another&#8211;no problem for them, only for us.</p>
<p>However, when a library provides a significant unique capability, like GNU Readline, that&#8217;s a horse of a different color.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: gabriele</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-46328</link>
		<dc:creator>gabriele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-46328</guid>
		<description>Roberto,
   it's an old question. Anyway, not only sinc4j adopts dual licensing in OW2 Consortium: different business models ...  I'm looking at the long term. I don't like to open the debate about GNU LGPL: our different positions are very clear and I'm quite surprised that you, fostering commercial solutions (I suppose for enterprise adoption) have such a position about GNU LGPL. Please, have a look here: &lt;a href="http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/maffulli/rants/the_lgpl_is_good_for_you" rel="nofollow"&gt;The LGPL is good for you&lt;/a&gt; Obviously, I agree with Stefano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto,<br />
   it&#8217;s an old question. Anyway, not only sinc4j adopts dual licensing in OW2 Consortium: different business models &#8230;  I&#8217;m looking at the long term. I don&#8217;t like to open the debate about GNU LGPL: our different positions are very clear and I&#8217;m quite surprised that you, fostering commercial solutions (I suppose for enterprise adoption) have such a position about GNU LGPL. Please, have a look here: <a href="http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/maffulli/rants/the_lgpl_is_good_for_you" rel="nofollow">The LGPL is good for you</a> Obviously, I agree with Stefano.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-46143</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-46143</guid>
		<description>Gabriele, thank you to make clear your position about commercial open source, I really appreciate it.

About the "old" Objectweb policy, I actually notice that all the projects, but one, were distributed under the &lt;strong&gt;Lesser&lt;/strong&gt; GPL. Curiously enough the one missing, sinc4j, being distributed under the GPL license allowed &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/01/15/italian-open-source-projects-funambol/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Funambol&lt;/a&gt; to fully take advantage of a business model based on double-licensing.

By the way if you never got the chance to read it before, I would recommend you to have a look at "&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Why you shouldn't use the Library GPL for your next library&lt;/a&gt;". It is an old document but it still makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriele, thank you to make clear your position about commercial open source, I really appreciate it.</p>
<p>About the &#8220;old&#8221; Objectweb policy, I actually notice that all the projects, but one, were distributed under the <strong>Lesser</strong> GPL. Curiously enough the one missing, sinc4j, being distributed under the GPL license allowed <a rel="nofollow" href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/01/15/italian-open-source-projects-funambol/" rel="nofollow">Funambol</a> to fully take advantage of a business model based on double-licensing.</p>
<p>By the way if you never got the chance to read it before, I would recommend you to have a look at &#8220;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html" rel="nofollow">Why you shouldn&#8217;t use the Library GPL for your next library</a>&#8220;. It is an old document but it still makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: gabriele</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-46019</link>
		<dc:creator>gabriele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-46019</guid>
		<description>Roberto,
   fine blogger. You have caught me in another blog. Anyway, no new definition (a blog is not the real place to manage such a discussion), but just my feeling, also collecting feedbacks from users and customers.
GNU LGPL license was the first choice of ObjectWeb Consortium  http://old.www.objectweb.org/.  I share the same envision such as: build a strong solutions free (libre) to everybody, forced to be free in time enabling its growth by community efforts, permitting at the same time industrial adoption. Now ObjectWeb has moved to OW2 Consortium  www.ow2.org,  with no restrictions about licenses adoption (e.g.: some solutions are dual licensing), but fostering the same envision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto,<br />
   fine blogger. You have caught me in another blog. Anyway, no new definition (a blog is not the real place to manage such a discussion), but just my feeling, also collecting feedbacks from users and customers.<br />
GNU LGPL license was the first choice of ObjectWeb Consortium  <a href="http://old.www.objectweb.org/." rel="nofollow">http://old.www.objectweb.org/.</a>  I share the same envision such as: build a strong solutions free (libre) to everybody, forced to be free in time enabling its growth by community efforts, permitting at the same time industrial adoption. Now ObjectWeb has moved to OW2 Consortium  <a href="http://www.ow2.org," rel="nofollow">www.ow2.org,</a>  with no restrictions about licenses adoption (e.g.: some solutions are dual licensing), but fostering the same envision.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-45913</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-45913</guid>
		<description>Gabriele I am glad you didn't mention to bring a new definition of what commercial open source is, but that's also &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://press.teleinteractive.net/oss/2007/05/30/from_osbc2007_sf_is_freedom_the_right_ap" rel="nofollow"&gt; what I read&lt;/a&gt;. If this is not the case, you better ask them to change it.

Spago, SpagoBI and also Spago4q are all distributed under LGPL, and you also mention that LGPL was chosen in order to let it accepted by a consortium, am I right?  Could you tell us more about it?
&lt;blockquote&gt;3) double licensing doesn’t make sense to SpagoWorld. It could makes sense in other business models, but in many situations it’s just a little differentiator from proprietary model&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don't know what business model suites SpagoWorld, but it can't be true that double-licensing be often meaningless. If this was the case OS firms adopting the double-licensing wouldn't sell it, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriele I am glad you didn&#8217;t mention to bring a new definition of what commercial open source is, but that&#8217;s also <a rel="nofollow" href="http://press.teleinteractive.net/oss/2007/05/30/from_osbc2007_sf_is_freedom_the_right_ap" rel="nofollow"> what I read</a>. If this is not the case, you better ask them to change it.</p>
<p>Spago, SpagoBI and also Spago4q are all distributed under LGPL, and you also mention that LGPL was chosen in order to let it accepted by a consortium, am I right?  Could you tell us more about it?</p>
<blockquote><p>3) double licensing doesn’t make sense to SpagoWorld. It could makes sense in other business models, but in many situations it’s just a little differentiator from proprietary model</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what business model suites SpagoWorld, but it can&#8217;t be true that double-licensing be often meaningless. If this was the case OS firms adopting the double-licensing wouldn&#8217;t sell it, right?</p>
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		<title>By: gabriele</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-45833</link>
		<dc:creator>gabriele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/06/11/open-source-conference-commercial-open-source-conference/#comment-45833</guid>
		<description>To be as much clear as possible:
1) in the OSS domain a lot of commercial solution claiming to be ..., claiming to have ... exist (it's not the definition of commercial OSS)
2) Engineering has chosen the LGPL license just for the SpagoWorld (www.spagoworld.org) initiative, not in general.
3) double licensing doesn't make sense to SpagoWorld. It could makes sense in other business models, but in many situations it's just a little differentiator from proprietary model</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be as much clear as possible:<br />
1) in the OSS domain a lot of commercial solution claiming to be &#8230;, claiming to have &#8230; exist (it&#8217;s not the definition of commercial OSS)<br />
2) Engineering has chosen the LGPL license just for the SpagoWorld (www.spagoworld.org) initiative, not in general.<br />
3) double licensing doesn&#8217;t make sense to SpagoWorld. It could makes sense in other business models, but in many situations it&#8217;s just a little differentiator from proprietary model</p>
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