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	<title>Comments on: File Format: Hidden traps in OpenDocument (or any other open standard) and how to avoid them</title>
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		<title>By: Hikari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hikari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the features you listed are needed, and some of them can't be open.

Digital Certificate code can be open, I believe its hash data can also be, does ODF formats support it? But, AFAIK, there's no open software to handle DC, and editor must access its proprietary DLL to sign the document. In the same way, to validate the sining we must access its AC. Would we wanna give up on signed documents and DC?

Macro is editor-related in the way that it automates editor features, it can't be standardized because it'd limit how editors work. Well, we need macros to automate our work, and when we decide to use it we know it will be bound to current editor and we'll have trouble porting it to other editor, even the same model in different version. The solution would be ODF formats support multiple macros in them, related to specific editors, in a way that one editor can't change or delete other editor's macros. OR, macros be completely banned and each editor create external files to store its macros.

Embedded multimedia data is also trouble. HTML 5 supporters are having hard time for years to define which formats will be standardized. Of course, any user worried with long time storage will use properly formats for their multimedia data as they do with their text, be we also can't stop users from storing proprietary formats, because they'd get angry and go to Micro$oft ones.

In general, I think ODF formats don't need to force "openess", they just need to support and allow it, and each user uses it in the way it's better for them. Let's not forget GIF, whose support is gone for years but is still largely used and supported by readers and editors.

What we can't allow, at any cost, is that editors add proprietary data inside ODF files without user explicit knowledge and acceptance, because if that's done the user will only find out years later when it's too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the features you listed are needed, and some of them can&#8217;t be open.</p>
<p>Digital Certificate code can be open, I believe its hash data can also be, does ODF formats support it? But, AFAIK, there&#8217;s no open software to handle DC, and editor must access its proprietary DLL to sign the document. In the same way, to validate the sining we must access its AC. Would we wanna give up on signed documents and DC?</p>
<p>Macro is editor-related in the way that it automates editor features, it can&#8217;t be standardized because it&#8217;d limit how editors work. Well, we need macros to automate our work, and when we decide to use it we know it will be bound to current editor and we&#8217;ll have trouble porting it to other editor, even the same model in different version. The solution would be ODF formats support multiple macros in them, related to specific editors, in a way that one editor can&#8217;t change or delete other editor&#8217;s macros. OR, macros be completely banned and each editor create external files to store its macros.</p>
<p>Embedded multimedia data is also trouble. HTML 5 supporters are having hard time for years to define which formats will be standardized. Of course, any user worried with long time storage will use properly formats for their multimedia data as they do with their text, be we also can&#8217;t stop users from storing proprietary formats, because they&#8217;d get angry and go to Micro$oft ones.</p>
<p>In general, I think ODF formats don&#8217;t need to force &#8220;openess&#8221;, they just need to support and allow it, and each user uses it in the way it&#8217;s better for them. Let&#8217;s not forget GIF, whose support is gone for years but is still largely used and supported by readers and editors.</p>
<p>What we can&#8217;t allow, at any cost, is that editors add proprietary data inside ODF files without user explicit knowledge and acceptance, because if that&#8217;s done the user will only find out years later when it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed &#124; Stop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed &#124; Stop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 05:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may ever do is to diverge on ODF compatibility (because even ODF can contain compatibility traps). There&#8217;s nothing else that will motivate people more to abandon both. Diverge and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] may ever do is to diverge on ODF compatibility (because even ODF can contain compatibility traps). There&#8217;s nothing else that will motivate people more to abandon both. Diverge and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: [discuss] Re: [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February &#124; Bla.es</title>
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		<dc:creator>[discuss] Re: [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February &#124; Bla.es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &gt; I&#8217;ve read the article you&#8217;ve pointed us to and I find it true and very &gt; interesting &gt; (http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/01/file-format-hidden-traps-in-opendocument-or-any-other-open-standard-and-how-to-avoid-them/ &gt; ) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &gt; I&#8217;ve read the article you&#8217;ve pointed us to and I find it true and very &gt; interesting &gt; (http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/01/file-format-hidden-traps-in-opendocument-or-any-other-open-standard-and-how-to-avoid-them/ &gt; ) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: [discuss] Re: [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February &#124; Bla.es</title>
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		<dc:creator>[discuss] Re: [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February &#124; Bla.es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve read the article you&#8217;ve pointed us to and I find it true and very interesting (http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/01/file-format-hidden-traps-in-opendocument-or-any-other-open-standard-and-how-to-avoid-them/ ) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve read the article you&#8217;ve pointed us to and I find it true and very interesting (http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/01/file-format-hidden-traps-in-opendocument-or-any-other-open-standard-and-how-to-avoid-them/ ) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Re: [discuss] [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February &#124; Bla.es</title>
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		<dc:creator>Re: [discuss] [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February &#124; Bla.es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ciao, Marco (1) http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/01/file-format-hidden-traps-in-opendocument-or-any-other-open-standard-and-how-to-avoid-them/ &#8211; Help *everybody* love Free Standards and Software: http://digifreedom.net [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ciao, Marco (1) <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/01/file-format-hidden-traps-in-opendocument-or-any-other-open-standard-and-how-to-avoid-them/" rel="nofollow">http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/01/file-format-hidden-traps-in-opendocument-or-any-other-open-standard-and-how-to-avoid-them/</a> &#8211; Help *everybody* love Free Standards and Software: <a href="http://digifreedom.net" rel="nofollow">http://digifreedom.net</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Llorenç Pagés</title>
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		<dc:creator>Llorenç Pagés</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that your arguments are very interesting and the dilemma you are posing very challenging.

I have translated your message into Spanish and posted it onto the ATI debate forum devoted to Open Document Standards 


I am planning to summarize and post that summary here, if exist, the most interesting opinions we collect on the ATI forum.  

Thank you very much Marco for giving me permission to make that translation.

Llorenç Pagés
Chief Editor of Novatica and Upgrade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that your arguments are very interesting and the dilemma you are posing very challenging.</p>
<p>I have translated your message into Spanish and posted it onto the ATI debate forum devoted to Open Document Standards </p>
<p>I am planning to summarize and post that summary here, if exist, the most interesting opinions we collect on the ATI forum.  </p>
<p>Thank you very much Marco for giving me permission to make that translation.</p>
<p>Llorenç Pagés<br />
Chief Editor of Novatica and Upgrade</p>
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		<title>By: alfonsofuggetta.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open source economics</title>
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		<dc:creator>alfonsofuggetta.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open source economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Roberto Galappini mi segnala questo post sugli open standard. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Roberto Galappini mi segnala questo post sugli open standard. [...]</p>
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